in the discussion about the use of domestic drones. "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: good morning everyone. we begin with the control. "the washington post," process that universal out projects are in jeopardy. isresented elijah cummings likely to be axed about this when he will speak at the national press club played today. we have live coverage of that at 10:00 a.m. on c-span. later this morning i am 11:00 a.m. we will cover the other side with the nra giving more details on its idea to have armed guards in the nation's school. john kerry will have talks with

south korea's foreign minister in washington today to discuss north korea's recent threat. we will cover this on c-span 2 at 4:00 p.m.. given the rising tensions on the korean peninsula should the u.s. response? if so, how? send us a tweet. facebook.com/cspan. or send us an e-mail, journal@c- span.org. planskorea says that it to restart a shuttered nuclear reactor on its main nuclear complex that it had agreed to shut down more than five years ago. the declaration demonstrate kim jong-un on the's regime's

commitment to nuclear programs that the international community has persistently tried to get it to abandon. this is fromcnn.com this morning. front page of "the washington times," -- this is sean waterman's analysis - -

here is a south korean newspaper online, with the headline, "u.s > media showing alarm over north korean rhetoric."

rising tensions on the korean peninsula. our question for all of you, should the u.s. respond? let me give you the phone numbers again -- we wanted to get your thoughts from this. washington is reacting today and of the past week about north korea and what they are doing. a lot in the papers this morning. we will go to a "the financial times," --

marie in silver springs, aryland, democratic caller,

what you think about all of this? caller: i am amazed. i think we need to stay out of it. every south korean mail has to serve in the military. we need to let them take your foot is going on over there. host: when were you there? caller: 2005 to 2007. host: dc the presence of u.s. forces there? caller: yes. host: what was it like? caller: basically a lot of the soldiers were there for a year. they didn't do that much. we are spending might have soldiers there just to please the borders on the korean should be doing it themselves. host: was that the sentiment of the soldiers? caller: yes. host: why were you there? caller: i was there as a teacher. host: teaching -- caller: english. from this is an article

"stars and stripes," back in 2011 -- this is a recent story, but not from 2013, about our u.s. force level in south korea. trolley from new york, republican, good morning. caller: i think at this point we should be hearing something a little more official coming out of the white house either from the president or maybe even from the secretary of state. it has been going on long enough for north korea that it is getting people nervous. i hear people talk about north korea just in general out in the

public. it typically haven't heard that. it has been going on long enough that people are starting to get a little nervous, do not know what is going on, we do not know what our true stances on it, and it would just be nice to hear something. aboutjay carney was asked the rising tensions. what you caller: want the president say i think we need to hear from our leader what our stancee is. host: what you think about diplomatic talk? caller: i think diplomatic talks -- this is probably not a iypical republican response --

think if you conducive to diplomatically it is always the best way. this is a piece rescind -- a piece written in yesterday's papers --

what you think? -- what do you think? in recent times when you look at other regimes or iran, may be it seems like you could sit down with iran. it with north korea, no matter what you do, they go in a

completely different direction. the rattle their sabers. they aren't know if quite take it seriously. i do not think they really realize who they are. it would be great to talk to people. i just don't know that north korea is going to be that kind of government. written andiece was sun.'s "washington post." good morning. caller: good morning. i was stationed in korea three times. koreans do notth have a chance if we were to ever go to war.

the united states and south korean army would easily win even if they were to attempt to use nuclear weapons. as far as the training on the -- our forces are more capable. this is just another in a series of frederick the north has. -- of rhetoric the north has. it is more of a talk thing than anything else. one last thing i want to point out is that with the death of the father and the dear son you have noticed that things have escalated a little bit because

the leadership in north korea has to assert themselves to their people. host: so you think this is internal politics? caller: i think so. when you were there in south korea, what were your caller: responsibilities i was active duty in the military. alastair 87 to 88, 91 to 92 -- i 88, and then to 80 91 to 92. i was north of seoul. ngton from "the washignton times," --

that is what the united states has agreed to under this new deal with south korea. on china's involvement, here is joseph ramirez on twitter -- china places forces on high

alert as tensions mount. we will go to a vance in oklahoma city. caller: i think we need to learn a little history.

the last time the united states defeated ina to be battle was in the caribbean peninsula -- in the korean peninsula in the 1940's. say the these people south and u.s. could come in and quickly take care of the north. they fail to realize that china is next door and there is absolutely no way the chinese are going to allow americans to defeat the north korean regime way, shape, in any or form. we only have one honorable option and that is the honorable option that those who oppose the united states involvement in the --ean war at that time

congressman thundered on the floors of congress against united states imperialism. these are conservative republicans at the time who thundered against american imperialism. not the liberal left, not the editors of the new republic, not "the new york times," but conservative republicans to argue that the united states had no interest in being an empire. we only have what honorable thing and that is to do an immediate retrenchment from that extremely dangerous area of the world. host: dave, republican caller -- caller: good morning. i agree with what troy said earlier, one of your callers.

it seems a loss of saber rattling. this dude seems whacked. i know his father -- there was a lot of nasty rhetoric when the father was alive. veryyougnenger guy seems unstable. host: let me get your reaction to this. this is in "usa today," -- he compared this to the cuban missile crisis. caller: it could be similar in its concept and where it may go. one of my concerns is what a couple of your callers have said

of north korea has a lot scores to settle with countries in asia, especially japan. this goes back hundreds of hundreds of years, even to when chosen was a young nation. i am concerned that if you get someone who is so inherently unstable such as this gentleman -- who knows what he can do? there was a moving accoue that t ."lled "chain of command i do not know how it is going to go. i would not enter estimate this guy because he looks very unstable -- i would not under estimate is that because he

looks very unstable. host: what about this talk about this being internal politics. we are getting the deal of him marching in the military. this is internal politics to show the north koreans that this new young guy is a tough one. caller: i do not agree with the internal politics side of it. i just think that it is external politics. i do not know where this is going to go with him. this is a very tense and dangerous situation. it has to be handled very carefully. there is a lot of history there and people have -- especially in some of the asian cultures has occurred over hundreds of years. host: let me get you to react to the front page of "the new york times" this morning --

what do you think? japan. i cannot blame i think they agree that north -- theyuld definitely

can definitely use it at any time and i think japan would be definitely one of their prime target because they have some scores to settle from hundreds of years ago. i am concerned that this will definitely spur some type of military response. it will not be pretty. somethingopeful that good comes out of this. it is interesting you brought up the cuban missile crisis because there are some similarities. castro -- this was before i was born -- dealing with cuba may have been easier than dealing with this guy. host: this is "the wall street journal," --

on that editor there are pieces in the paper this morning that talk about the chinese editor that wrote that piece about and

doing its ties with north korea. "the new york times" this morning had this headline -- we will go next to mark in michigan. thank you for waiting. -- the silvere bullet is they are lacking energy independence. they know they have to be united. fors a boyfriend/girlfriend

a mark. they know they have to come together somehow. -- thee side has energy silver bullet is the technology. give them the energy independence they feel they need and they are afraid to unite. i am offering tv2 techno logy. even the united states is saying we need to be oil dependence. we cannot even get off the grid. korean war feels as

though in time warp," -- we are taking your comments on twitter. as we said earlier the white if the whiteed house is concerned about rising tensions in the area and at the white house believes that u.s. action on this are considered -- u.s. action on this are contributing in any way. [video clip] >> united states is committed to maintaining peace and security in the region. north korea should stop its provocative sprats -- provocative threats. its pursuit of nuclear programs does not make it more secure but only increases its isolation and seriously undermines the ability to pursue economic

development. i would note that despite the harsh rhetoric that we are hearing from p'yongyang we are not seeing changes to the north korean military posture, such as large scale mobilizations and positioning of forces. we take this seriously. i have said this in the past. we are vigilant in monitoring the north korean situation very diligently. we are in close contact with our team in north korea. they are coordinating closely with our south korean counterparts. the actions we take our prudence. include missile defense to enhance homeland and allied security. other actions have been important steps to reassure our allies and demonstrate to the north that -- we believe this reduces the

chance of miscalculation and provocation. i would also note -- and i would say this consistently -- this pattern of bellicose rhetoric is not new. we take it very seriously. we take prudent measures in response to it. but it is consistent with past behavior. host: white house press secretary jay carney on rising tensions in north korea. respond, ifhe u.s. at all? joining us on the phone is the military reporter for "usa today." if i could just began with news out of north korea this morning, they plan to restart the shuttered nuclear reactor. what you think that means in all of this? callerguest: good morning. i think the primary concern about that is to give them two sources of weapons grade

plutonium. it is a major concern for the united states host: how you think the u.s. will respond? guest: we have seen response that is relatively robust. we have b-52 bombers. 22's in southon f- korea. there are now ships in the region with the most of advanced radars. there have been very ill robust responses from our side -- a very robust responses from our side. host: did we provoke this in some way? guest: i do not know about that. i think this new leader has decided he is and take a much more belligerent response to relations with seoul and the united states. there are some analysts who

said that this sort of bellicose talk indicates that there might be struggles within his own leadership right now. he is trying to prove his mettle to the military. it is hard to say what is exactly going on in north korea. host: what sort of intelligence do we have inside of north korea? guest: i do not know directly. a lot of it -- these things taken by surprise. the nuclear test they haven't figured was one that took us by surprise to an extent. --annot think there is much it is such a closed society. satellites andh listening devices. the south has its intelligence capabilities. a lot of their motivations are

pretty opaque to us. host: you are waking up this morning with news about this nuclear reactor. who you ask questions and what you ask? guest: we talk with our folks of the pentagon to see if there are any further actions that the iroquois vitellus about right away and then talk to analysts who have at least some feel for what is going on in the region. place.uch a strange you just talked to as many folks as you can. host: why don't we talk directly to north korea? guest: i think there has been some of that. every time we have had negotiations with them they have reneged on their deal. that leads to less willingness on our part to engage directly in negotiation. now they are in violation of u.s. sanctions. it becomes a question of what does talking do?

are there and nautical negotiating partners? -- reliable negotiating partners? thank tom vanden brook, you for your time this morning. we will go to julie and from omaha, nebraska. a democrat caller -- caller: i think that we have a young person who is really trying to show his muscle. i think we should think before we get into more military action because we have a tired bunch of ng toe -- if we are goign t keep having wars maybe we should bring back the draft. host: michael from vermont. good morning.

caller: i agree with some of your callers. we are on the korean border. have thesey we little wars which helps defense corporations. men of congress love them because contributions come pouring in. we have had unending war for 60 years. china hasn't engaged in a war in 60 years. forming another alliance with russia. conflictbe in a major but we would lose because we do not have the heart for war. our military likes to buy things and all we are doing is wasting money. host: more on china from "the washington times closed " this

morning -- from "the washington times closed " this morning -- -- from "the washignton times" this mornign -- we get your thoughts on whether or not there should be a u.s. response to the rising tensions in the korean peninsula. tim from wyoming -- caller: i am in full agreement with the last democratic caller from omaha.

if we are glad to continue to engage in war and push our might around the world then maybe we shouduld reinstate the draft. i am mulling to go if necessary. -- i am willing to go if necessary. i will stand behind whatever my country wants to do. i do not think anybody wants to have the heart for war. going to war that with korea and having china on the wrong side of us is the right thing to do. republicany, a caller --

caller: we are engaged in war. they have this bill terry code, nuclear program. we are going throughout a big war and our best ability is to stop those koreans from weapons. thosng those big host: the senate is expected to take a pill when they return next week from recess.

inside "the washington post closed with this morning -- the washington post" and this morning --

the will be covering that here on c-span at 11:00 a.m.. before that -- will cover that at 10:00 a.m.. you get two different perspectives on this issue. from south kurt -- from south carolina's newspaper --

the form features republican rivals. that happens today from the state newspaper in south carolina. about that pipeline burst in arkansas, here is "the baltimore sun," -- exxon was find a few years back for not fixing repairs on a different part of that old pipeline. john in atlanta georgia -- independent caller --

ofler: i agree with some your previous callers in respect to -- there is somewhat of a lack of balance, especially on reporting. the reporter you for talking with, it seems like you is american policy is good north korean is bad. --ould like asks the san asked c-span to take somebody who has a more balanced approach to bringing about the issues. i would like to know from the north korean side what exactly his viewpoint -- the side that we have now. plenty ofave done segments on the issue in the korean peninsula. if you are interested in this c-span2 will be covering

secretary of state john kerry, will be meeting with korean foreign ministers to talk about the rising tension. this is the headline in the style section of "the washington post," -- this morning, president obama is to unveil an initiative to map the human brain. on tuesday he will announce a broad new research initiative started with -- a potential senate race here -- hypothetical matchup in the washington times show mark warner being macdonell easily.

mcdonnell has not indicated any interest in returning to the seat. and thoughts on north korea south korea? -- giveny concern is the fact that we have speant so much resourcs in iraq and the countyry is tired of war. the country is tired of war at the wrong time. iss coutnryntry, north korea, the real mccoy. i wonder if those resources should have been saved for a situation like this. both korea is to china what syria is to iran.

this is a trying time. somebody is sitting there with "eir legs crossed and saying, he watched this." "watched this." when you look at a deficit -- they cannot come together to get things done. china is watching this. is a very trying time. host: front page of "the wall street journal," --

in the money and investing section of "the wall street journal" -- it says she will be leading the consulting firms, governance, and risk-management compliance. she said she would do more than justified but the letter of the polls. she has agreed with the company to never before -- to never appear before a federal agency. that is where mary schapiro has ended. the democratic caller, hello darnell. caller: i agree with the previous caller. we are not hearing both sides of the conflict. i want to hear what the north

koreans have to say. sides oft hearing both the story. from the front page this morning has this -- -- is at a connecticut that is in the "hartford courant." thank you all for calling in this morning. coming up we are going to switch topics and be acquitted talk with michael kranish of "the boston globe." civilthe national

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kranish. his recent peace, "a lesson for bob dole: old rules no longer apply." 4, 2012.rom december right here you can see the former senator in a wheelchair during the vote with his wife standing behind him. why was he on the floor that day? guest: that was the day the u.s. senate was when to take the disabilities treaty, which the supporters of the street he wanted other countries abroad world. bob dole had been the senate majority leader. that way back when. i remember very well how he beat dick after this bipartisan

effort he passed 86-7 in the senate. there controversial cost. he was able to bring up a bipartisan deal. they had a pact, the disabilities legislation would be above citizenship. it passed legislation. 22 years later bob dole was called by his old friend. >> what happened to the vote that day? guest: that is a story i try to tell in this piece. is washington gridlock? why do things not happened? everyone knows there is problems getting legislation through. there is a lot of focus on the major bills, such as the fiscal cliff and so forth. this treaty came and went within a matter of hours. i remember watching the c-span

coverage of that treaty to see bob dole wheel on to the floor. let us reconstruct what this treaty did fail. we used this as a typical to tell a larger story of what happens in the senate and why things to fail. this seemed to be on the path of the easy victory. this is the kind of legislation that was thought to have that bipartisan support. this is not something because the parties to split apart. support of former president george h. to the bush. president george h. w. bush. you have a lot of other republicans think they would be supportive. one of the things i've read about is i had a chance to sit down with bob dole.

his office is about 15 blocks from here. he is 89-years old. he is exactly how i remember him. thatsically was very upset in the end this treaty was defeated. he thought he had support. in the store i talked about that. he was counting on that bill for conservative republican senators. one senator, jenny moran, issued press release saying he would be standing up for those disabilities. it turns out that he was a crucial vote against the creek. i talk to him about that and he said he was initially supportive and then later on he decided to go against it.

summit issued a written statement being supportive and then turned against it. that cost of the people to take a second look at the treaty and a posted. host: what what this treaty have done specifically and look for the arguments against it to the -- and what were the arguments against it? , georgender u.s. law backhad issued the street in 2006. the obama administration signed on in 2009. in the case of the senate, i had 99 senators out of 100, they needed 66 votes. the treaty would have basically said that other countries should follow the u.s. lead. i'm generalizing here, obviously. republicans said we do not need entanglements. other countries can take our lead without signing onto a treaty.

that raised some particular arguments. there were groups in the story about home schoolers. they were saying that the -- they are saying that there was a concern that the u.s. would have control over disabled children who are home school. they raised an objection. former senator rick santorum suggested that his daughter, bella, who has a potentially fatal disability, would have been effected by this. of the homeis school association and rick santorum had a press conference. they talk about what they were concerned about. the reporter said this was ridiculous.

bob dole, john mccain, they all rejected these suggestions. this effort made the difference in cost this treaty did go down. host: did this group taken by surprise? guest: the democrats were supportive of this. were shocked. they thought about what were some of the things we were concerned about -- it did not enter their minds that a bunch of home schoolers would be changing. ofs did seem to shock some those that were in support of this. they thought they had enough support of key conservative republicans. this is not a typical case of republicans over here on the

democratsve sidea n and ont he liberal side. host: what did bob dole say when you interviewed him about the way the senate works? guest: 1 of the things i wanted to do was put prospective housing -- i covered that in 1990. there is a chart with a story that shows how back in 1990 when bob dole was the senate minority leader that inactive bills were 8% of those introduced. in 2012 it was about two% bills that were enacted. there was a big drop-off. it used to be that there were more bipartisan efforts on certain things. the budget to deal under which george bush and to mislead --

a lot of information was passed on a bipartisan basis. is there was a lot more bipartisan legislation passed in 1990 than there is today. bob dole says, "i thought i was supposed to do something." we are in control -- republicans were in control of the senate. he had a very close working relationship with the senate majority leader. that center was created to say we need more partisanship. -- we need more bipartisanship. host: who does senator bob dole plan for this treaty not happening? -- thehe told me headline was"republican party

closed for repairs." he thought they should tone down their anti-government rhetoric. he thought it was going too far. there was a schism within the republican party. i talked to john mccain, senator of arizona, about this. he was on the senate floor when this was defeated. he told me that he felt this was his word -- he felt this was his worst day in 26 years as a senator. he just felt very sad as he saw republican after republican vote against bob dole. here is our former tweet -- our former leader in a wheelchair. host: explain the personal time between bob dole and john mccain. guest: both are veterans. bob dole had warned a bracelet

with john mccain's name on it for years when john mccain was a prisoner of war in vietnam. worked with bob dole back in 1990. he felt strongly. he was allowed on the senate floor as a privilege. he wasn't allowed to speak so mccain spoke for him. before we get to phone calls, what was paul's reaction? guest: you can see the video and halfway through the vote his ise, a former senator, she patting him on the back. you can see on c-span video -- halfway through the realize what is going and he is rolled out of the chamber before the final vote is cast. host: 8 democratic caller, go

ahead. i initially called the second to last question that the crux of the matter. republicans did not support this treaty. bob dole was on the floor and was initiated by president george depew bush. just felt so i ashamed the way they treated bob dole, an american hero, a war hero, a great center. his wife was even a former senator. republicans should be ashamed. they let these crazy people act -- -- if you try to ngs.y thign

they would go michael kranish. guest: some of them feel that you entreaties are not worthwhile. some of them probably say that this is not strictly about disabilities but about the treaty. there were many other wouldicans who said this not tie u.s. hands at all. -- thatld have been was what other supporters were trying to do. they were not trying to do anything new in u.s. law, we are the had the gold standard. what they said they were trying to do was to encourage a lot of other countries to come close to meeting the standards that we have since that act was passed

in 1990. host: talk about meeting bob dole in his office. what is his health like right now? wheelchairs in a and in and out of the hospital for the last three years. when i met with them, he is the bob dole that people are familiar with. he is strong with his language. classic bob dole. he is funny, forthright. he is limited somewhat in his mobility. there is some irony in that, has ae he, himself disability. he fought in world war ii in which his right arm was seriously injured. he could not fully shake your hand with his injury.

he, himself, has been suffering from war disabilities as far as being in the wheelchair and having to go to the hospital. there is a scene in the story in which i describe bob dole meeting with president obama. according to bob dole, who told me the story, the president said i wish you were still in the senate and i could work with you and so forth. bob dole responded -- i am paraphrasing -- i don't know that i will want to be there because it is so intractable. it gives you the sense of the scene of the president and the former minority leader talking to each other about what is going on in the senate and the gridlock that exists. host: richmond virginia, high -- hi. caller: i want to make a comment about the gridlock in the senate and the house as well. it seems like to me that there ought to be some way for us to thatongress on notice

they are the ones stifling the democratic process, the way we do things in the united states. gethould have an effort to their names out there, show their voting record, with a voted against, what they are stifling before he gets to the senate and house floor, and why onit that we cannot put them c-span but how about on nbc nightly news or the cbs news and say these guys are the ones that are missing is up, these guys are the ones that need to be not reelected. michael kranish. guest: in fairness, you have to point out that there are some that will say this is good. some people would say we need more gridlock, stop some of the spending and so forth. what i am tried to do, not to say this person is wrong, but to explain how things have changed.

how is my central question, do we go from passing the americans with disabilities act to disapproving his treaty that he so strongly wanted past -- passed? there is quite a difference. that is the story i wanted to check -- tell, how things have changed. what of the key players in this put out a strong, unequivocal statement of support in which he said he was standing up for those with disabilities and then decided to vote against the treaty he previously supported. it gives you a sense of how difficult it is. if you know someone who is a key purpose -- person trying to talk about the strategy for passing this and turns out that he is the key player against this, that gives you the inside look. host: democratic caller.

caller: hi. i would like to give this thought to mr. michael kranish, harry reid,believe carl levin, both of them have protected the modern filibuster, which is a little different from the original filibuster. maybe at its origination, it was to protect minorities, but it has morphed into something else. what it is doing, it is turning the senate into a cowardly institution. what i mean by that is, one inson in a strong position their district or senate can make cover for all the other senators who now don't have to make a decision to stand for something.

they can just talk around the problem, knowing that one of the cause as going to filibuster and they will never have to address the issue. it is protection for their jobs and their seats, and it might be very effective and work well for them, but it is drawing bipartisan set to a screaming halt. host: we are learning from senators over the easter break, ted cruz, mike lee, marco rubio , that when the senate goes forward with an legislation, those four are going to object to that type of bill moving to the floor. we saw rand paul filibuster for 13 hours over drones holding up the nomination of the cia director. guest: the filibusters do not use to be used that often. if you look back, there was a

small number -- i mentioned in a story about the 1990 senate about how there was a small number of filibusters compared to the 20 12 senate. it is dramatic. if you look back further going back to the beginning of the senate, it was very rarely used. it is much different today. it is clear use use of the phils -- democratsuster have used this as well as republicans. it is not just one party. both parties have seen it when they are in the minority and their interest is to use the filibuster. it seems to be only growing. some efforts have been made to reform the system. bottom line, it is the way the senate operates. you need 50 votes to get things done. editorichael kranish, for "the boston globe." he writes --

host: john in houston, republican caller. caller: good morning. my position is that gridlock is a good thing. in fact, in texas, we have the ultimate gridlock in that our legislature meets every other year for five months. they are mandated by our constitution to have a budget. people, because they have to get it done, they have to make those compromises. u.s. senate, they make their own rules and they can change those rules at any time to do away with the culture requirements. the majority knows that they won't be majority forever.

i think they realize that is a tool that they will use in the future when they are in a minority. that is the way our system was set up in checks and balances. i don't see anything wrong with it. it is the american way. public opinion of the congress is extremely low. you can say that because they do certain things that cut spending or they don't get things done. it is hard to say exactly why that is, but it is extraordinarily low. ,ven those who might say, well this is good there is gridlock may not say this cluster is a good thing. -- the sequester is a good thing. the sequester is one of the things that causes people to say what is going on and why can't things get done. it is not an act of compromise, it is to some people a throwing up at the hands. there is not a lot requiring

that the budget be balanced. a lot ofthere are issues that are going on that people on both sides will probably say this is not the best way to get closer to a bounced budget. host: wisconsin, democratic caller. caller: hi, i have a comment. to c-span andd every news program i can listen to, watching what is going on in my own community, watching the frustration and the anguish of the middle class and the poor people in this country. these people in washington, democrats and republicans, believe you me, i am a strong democrat. there are some of them that are failing us. with everybody in the country on the tv that can get up there and voice their opinion about what we should do but nothing is getting done, it is getting to the point that it is scaring. our government is broken. the american people, democrats and republicans, are feeling

the same way. we need to unite and let this congress and senators in washington know who is in charge. host: we will leave it there. michael kranish. guest: people on both sides will say things are broken, get things done. what we are trying to do is get behind some of the stories as to what is causing this. people have the sense of there is gridlock and things are broken, that the system does not work. you have to say that the founders of this country wanted to make it difficult to get things through. they set up a system that had checks and balances, that it was not going to be a dictatorship. this was going to be sent and that was going to be. and our history, that process has enabled us to do all sorts of things. ira member covering the 1990 congress and how at that time, despite the fact there was -- a lot of things were difficult, in

the end, they tried to come together to compromise. republican party is searching for definition. there are people in the party who say we need to be more conservative. there are some who say we need to go back to a bob dole, more modern -- moderate view. there was a report put out in which they talked about how to change some of their ways, reach out to minorities more. given the loss of the -- president of campaign, there is a view of the party of what they charge trying to be. find they are trying to their identity, the gridlock will continue. republicansbe that are searching for their own

identity in the wake of the presidential campaign defeat. is that no problem one is being social. andle used to get together hang out. you don't have those places anymore and easy the gatekeepers do not allow that. .ost: you talk about it guest: i do. you go back to the 1990 senate. people socialize with members of the other parties. and theywith bob dole called themselves dear friends. to this day, they said they have never said a harsh word about each other. can you imagine that? they spent a lot of time working together very closely and got a lot of things done. that is why they have compounded this group, the bipartisan policy center. in the end, you need to find a way to bring both views

together. today, you have senators that don't really know each other. that saya historian senators don't know each other too well. sometimes they only see each other on the floor of the senate. it is about spending time together. i hear that from a lot of people, that it is different than it used to be as far as knowing and spending time and sitting around the table, going to a dinner or doing something else. there is a lot of time that is spent at home and on fundraising. it is more difficult to do that. it is easier to oppose the other person without seeking out the views of the other person and trying to find a copper mines. host: do they spend a lot of time the senate floor? you often see a person in the chair and a senator from

each party and that is it. one of the great experiences that i hope everyone gets a chance to do, you come to the gallery and you have this vision in your mind of the senate floor. the reality is, you have two or three senators on the floor. they come and they go. have aretty rare to lively debate amongst senators on the floor. there are those who say let's have more of that. that is just not the way to the senate works, it is not work that way for a long time. occasionally, you'll see that on some great issue of the day. for the most part, you will see a couple of senators giving prepared speeches. back tootes come in -- the disability treaty with bob dole, you will see only a couple

of centers come over to greet him in his wheelchair after they vote. many of them without their side doors, particularly those who voted against him. host: defendant caller. caller: -- host: independent scholar. -- caller. they are supposed to be representing the people. guest: of course. their job is to vote their and what their constituents want them to do and to hear those voices. senators come to different opinions. the biggest pieces will get known within their home state. others don't get that much attention. about so manyite

things, many are not well known. a group that is well organized, they'll have a big impact. that is the great thing thing about c-span. people can watch and understand what is coming up. host: brian, west haven, connecticut. caller: good morning. i thinkpoint is that the gridlock in washington will nextnue until the presidential election. i think it will happen in the , because itenate is completely ruled by the president. nothing is going to get through in the senate. the houses been doing doing their work. and putng gets canned down in the senate. until this president goes, nothing will get done. i just don't see anything in between. guest: there are people who the fiscalther than

cliff legislation, the sequester, that is the kind of thing that will get legislation. there will be a stronger force against it, filibusters and other things. it is not expected to be a particularly productive time. i don't know what about unser the next presidential elect and -- election. people will watch what happens in the next two years. the midterms will be very important. host: jeff in texas, independent caller. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think the problem with washington d.c. is that the federal government has centralized so much power, but it has become more of a national government in which the states grant the power. men and women representing millions of people.

each one is supposedly to represent over 70,000 people. you cannot do that. you have so many countless americans they get their news from the tv. they don't read or talk to each other. all they do is watch the tv. they constantly take away your liberties, the republicans and democrats. throwing the constitution away. i think things will do better at a federal level, you have to start decentralizing the power, letting the states stand up for themselves and nullifying the unconstitutional and fascist federal law. he could be talking about the founding of our country. it is a legitimate debate that people have over what a state

can do and states rights and what would do today with federalism. it is something that someone interested in federal -- american history could talk about forever. we have a system that we have currently. .t is interesting i am a great student of history, and it is of great interest to me of what the founders walked. -- wanted. crisis ofne through federal power versus state power. it is something people are interested in. we are not going to -- unless d.c. becomes a state or puerto , thebecome 6s a state population will grow. on the other point, when i first started covering congress, i don't pick we had c-span then. we did not have the internet. 1990. 1989 or

there was so much less ability to get information. it is interesting what happens in washington. everything is so available. you can do something in the desert that i could not do years ago sitting in washington. you can watch live coverage of what is happening in the senate and the house, press conferences, what the president does. you can read every transcript read so much is available. ,eople used to be complaining but now the floodgates are open. there is so much information. people cannot make sense of it all. it is up to each individual. if that person wants to find out what is going on, there's never been a better opportunity in our history to really understand what is going on in the c-span, through my newspaper, the boston globe, through other media. there an enormous amount of media out there.

want to get if you unfiltered information, there has never been a more availability to do that then today. 1989 and 1990 is when we started@c-span here as well. you have covered congress for a long time. you have written a book about thomas jefferson. for those interested, flight for monticello is the book. this piece off of you -- the usa today -- host: it goes through the past speakers. none of these three bills

garnered a majority. guest: i am not sure what they're talking not exactly, but john m boehner is trying to find -- walk a very fine line. some are saying he would be more willing to compromise to get certain things done. you could talk to some republicans and they are critical of him. they are not joining with him. there is a more modern segment that will join on certain issues with democrats. at the end of the day, they are trying to get certain things done. there has always been a group of people who know that their vote be in going to legislation. there are some to say if you need me, i will be with you because we have to get something done. sometimes those people will hold out until the end. if you follow congress, you can see that instance where there is a bailout, republicans who

had to grit their teeth and democrats to support the wall street bailout. there are others on various things. they may have raised taxes or spending, some of them do that. there are 20 within the republican party, especially tea party, who don't like what john boehner is doing. trying to walk that line. it is quite different. the congress was different. you had a republican minority. moreeader was much moderate and was able to get things done much more quickly. it was a republican president at that time. it was not like everything was all democratic. one who. bush, he was worked with democrats and that probably cost him his reelection. he at some point that i want to

get these certain things accomplished, and he knew that breaking the noted taxes might come back to hot him. -- haunt him. somewhat say it is one of his better achievements. in 1993, taxes were raised and so forth. there are plenty who go back and say that started us on a path to a balanced a budget and put certain things into place. it also said the republican members working against their incumbent president. at that time. the party was working with democrats, and they split and had the election. ,ost: independent caller georgia. i just want to comment. there is talk about the gridlock in d.c. .here are partisan issues

i would agree with that. haveieve until we campaign finance reform, is not going to change. we have developed into a nation where our political system is bought and paid for by special interests. we have political parties, not people, not ideologies, not what the constituents feel. they start campaigning the minute they take their seats. until we change that, there is no way for us to remove these people. we have an election every two years in the house of representatives and an election every four years in our senate. we cannot remove these people because they are bought and paid for. campaign-finance reform. it seemed to be a landmark piece of legislation.

the supreme court said, not so fast. we had citizens united, and the floodgates have opened. certain people can collect undisclosed, unlimited donations. we have gone a long way from back in 1974, watergate. basically, we have gone in the other direction. given what has happened, it is hard to see how we will then go back. they will ratchet back to a degree. whether people are bought and paid for is a question hard for me to answer. the amount of money that is running around washington is extraordinary. with that much money, it hasn't impact. we have a lot of money that is disclosed and undisclosed in the political process. host: democratic caller. caller: good morning.

i do not agree with him more. how is it possible to say you cannot see? history started writing our laws. we have all these organizations. washington is the broken city because of the cash flow. the only difference is i can see between the two parties, and that is all we have, the two parties, occasionally the democrats win money does not come in the way, they do something for the people of the country. the other side, their job is to answer their corporate masters. our member the time when john boehner was handing out checks for tobacco companies. ,ntil we get a handle on this until the people have some kind of format that gives them information because they are so busy working to try to keep a roof over their heads, they don't have the time to speak

that wonderful information that you and i would have the time to seek on the internet. is a lot of information available to anybody who wants it. people know what is going on as far as what the senate and the house are doing. my favorite is a lot of reporting on it and others do as well. people know that, and that is the system we have. will gety, people together and make action regarding that. the information is out there. host: vermont, independent caller. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i have a statement. onm reading a history book the history of vermont during a time of the war of 1812. one of the politicians said the government will not change until the people demand it. ishink that is what happening now. thank you. guest: that is the basis of our

country. if you go back to the founding of our country, at one time, some of the people who were the founders of our country were loyalists grade they believed in the british system and they said this system is not working. those same people led the effort to under thro -- overthrow the british rule. some of that rhetoric is used today in other contexts. that is the founding of our country. , toeople feel that way overthrow someone in a military way, people can vote every two years for their house of representatives or every six years for the senator. that system works very well as far as having a priest -- peaceful transition. , a lessonael kranish for dole: old rules no longer

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host: welcome back to the table the american society of civil engineers out with a new report on america's infrastructure. there is the grade for everyone to see overall, d-plus. what is going on? guest: it is an improvement from the letter grade d. that het obama noted thinks it is starting to improve. the grades have to get much better. there are a number solutions , including the greater use of the private sector to make that happen. host: here is the headline in the "washington post" -- guest: i suppose i take that as

there is some improvement in the grade. there's been more investment at state and local governments, the private sector. that grade jumped two levels to a c plus. that is a good sign. we have gone through a. where we talk about gas tax and things like that. we have noticed in the states, these vigorous debates are starting to happen. the state of virginia -- i am not sure the government has signed it -- but there is a major transportation plan their -- there. the state of wyoming, a red .tate, raised its gas tax maryland is looking at a gas tax increase. i think the public is finally

making legislators realize they have to deal with that. host: here is the headline in the washington post -- supporters say motorists will pay more than $15 a month -- host: what does the money go toward? guest: that will go towards maintaining the systems we have, and to building new systems. we have seen in virginia over the past several years, major investments, the springfield hot added to theen

beltway. some interesting financing there. back to the plan about the gas tax having modest impact. i think that is important. politically, it is become difficult for certain leaders to take this issue head-on. if you are looking at $15 a month, you are under $200 a year. the costs that are imposed on families by bad roads, being stuck in traffic, far exceed that kind of input -- incremental investment. people have to or member in the transportation sector, there is uptick from these investments. there was a dot study done that for every billion dollars invested, 30,000 jobs are created. or have been other studies since then are supportive. host: the front page of this morning --

this is not good for business, he is saying. at the federal level, it is only $.18 a gallon. .tates a very -- vary this creates a tremendous amount -- amount of jobs.

we did a series of economic reports called the failure to act series. a lot of waste water, energy, and ports. looking at the surface transportation, they found if we are unable to increase may beents -- user fees controversial, but they are a fair way to do this. by 2020, one million jobs will be at risk. $1 trillion in gdp would be at risk by the year 2020. i think we need to look at these as investments, and solid investments. host: what is the amount that your group is calling for when it comes to investing in infrastructure? 16st: if you look at all categories and go up to the year 2020, which is the measure we are using, there is a total .eed of $3.6 trillion

$2.1 trillion would be met through various funding sources in trace -- place. of $200ves a gap billion a year. that is a big number in terms of the economy. a submit that 200 billion year is more than a doable challenge for the united states. by the the comments made maryland politician, the gas -- so many people in the construction industry are still -- still suffering unemployment waits -- rates. the cost of borrowing is low. the issue is starting to really germany -- germinate and take off. host: the issues we are talking

about our water and the environment, public facilities, energy. tennessee, democratic caller. go ahead. caller: good morning. i'm calling from tennessee. i was traveling out of state. , ouroads are in bad shape bridges. people get hurt here. there is bickering over everything, except doing for the people. they are waiting for something to happen here real bad with these roads, then they are going to try up and do something. they send all this money overseas, helping everybody else. the republicans are for the rich. are doingocrats against their own party. they need to wake up. to getwaiting for 2013 here. i am not sure even a

galvanizing event can always get things moving. you and i talked into thousand seven after the minneapolis bridge collapse to. representatives could not even get a bill through the house. work.s not always she raises a point about the conditions and convinced -- tennessee. 9 bridges in the united states is deficient. these are bridges that require more attention from state engineers. lost: you gave bridges a c p us. is that an improvement? guest: yes, urban bridges are still a concern. caller: good morning. i was flying from

sap -- california to boston. i believe they were auctioning -- also functioning at katrina. ams in thisf the d that wasere at risk going to corrode the concrete and eventually cause them to collapse. as far as i can tell, nothing has been done about that. that will be a disaster all over the country, if that starts happening. host: we will get his take on dams across the country. guest: there are 84 across the country. there is a cause for concern. there has been so much growth in this country that has occurred haved dams that you people at risk.

,ou have 4000 deficient dams according to the safety officials. closely monitored, and there is a national safety program. we would like to also see a inional levee program put place. we are working to try to make that happen. host: how much would that cost? guest: i am not sure. the levee safety program would be a minimal cost because the idea would be to first get an inventory, getting handle on how many levees we have in this country. 100,000ve there is over miles of levees. let me make one comment about flood control. people might recall the mississippi river floods in 2011, historic floods. the federal government of the corps of engineers were able to do a number of things in terms of levees. floodwayse, allowing

to take on water and other floodgates were used to control the flood. these were investments that were made over generations in this country. floodgates and the levee system or operated to protect $140 billion in metropolitan value across the lower mississippi. people should realize that these investments pay off in a big way for this country. ,ost: eastern maryland republican caller. what do you think of the gas tax in maryland? one of caller: that was my major concerns. it seems only to be mildly known on the eastern shore that governor o'malley has been given free reign over the department of transportation finances. replenish only to that. we have no clue where that is, and thank god for john stossel,

who made me aware that you can file the freedom of information act and request to know where that money went. it is insane. it seems theent, releasing of the dam devastated a great deal of our oyster sanctuary and how the should be cleaned up before they even can send their -- consider any of that stuff. i want to thank you for your time and wonder if you could comment on that. when you raise the user fees, it is a guarantee to the public that the funding will be spent on the transportation sector that you are concerned about, mass transit roads. the public needs to hold their political leaders accountable, that these funds are set aside

and protected in such a way that they cannot be used for other aspects of government, including to make the deficit appear smaller. i have heard about that in maryland. i know that safety officials have to keep a close eye on it. i don't recall the specific incident you have in mind, but anyone can imagine if you are looking at a river system and , includingterest recreational interests, navigational, you have the challenge of managing a river during high flow or low flow. host: virginia, independent caller. i live in maryland. a great call from the woman on the eastern shore. i am hoping a lot more people find out about what o'malley has done in reaching our .ransportation trust fund

not that the republicans have done a better job, but somewhat better. now these taxes -- how do we -- we can't hold them accountable. we are a one-party state in maryland. we have been down there in the thousands in annapolis, and they don't listen to us. there is no way to hold them accountable. as far as jobs, they go to illegal aliens, the construction jobs. what are we supposed to do, you tell me? aboutcalls are not happy using the money for the presentation project. guest: i think people are ok with that. i think people -- if the money goes somewhere else. ands a good government best practice when you adjust the user fees, the people paying those fees are assured that the dollars are going to be spent appropriately. it is not too late for people

of maryland -- again, i will say i have not followed the debate that closely to know. i know in the past, money has been moved around to deal with the budget situation. as people put on their chief executive hat and try to run a state and balance the budget, they will scramble as many ways as they can. people can insist that this gas tax increase and any increase are used solely for treasure station purposes. -- transportation. host: we are talking with casey with the american society of civil engineers. there is a report every four years. if you go to their website, you can launch the report card and see all the different sectors and the graves -- grades

received. we are taking your phone calls and want to know what the roads are like in your area. the numbers are on your screen -- host: new york, republican caller. caller: hi. this gentleman is talking about a user fee. i just want to give a small example. i live in new york state. for me to travel to visit my parents 45 miles away, i pay $ 1.80 each way in tolls. $4.60.gallons, that is 80.t comes out to $1. if i stop to get something eat, there is 10% tax.

$11omes out to make a -- in taxes. explain to me in a logical way how americans can afford to drive 45 miles and have to spend $12 alone in taxes? i guess the toll is -- it is not a tax but it will feel like it is if you are paying on a regular basis. you will often see the tolls on bridges and tunnels, where you know there's going to be high traffic. many people$.18 dollars who look at the tax, the vast majority of the tax -- if you add up all the taxes, it may end up coming to a quarter of the

price of gas. the situation you described, i just that is a part of doing transportation in this country. overall, the u.s. has been investing less in gdp that has historically and has been investing less than half and as for structure -- infrastructure. host: missouri, independent caller. go ahead. caller: good morning. i'm curious if there is anything coming out of missouri right now. this is not something that i have been actually following, so i wondered if there was any information specifically about missouri that is coming across. guest: you can also download the app on android and iphone.

if you bring up the missouri statistics. we have state-by-state statistics, people can look at conditions and all the different sectors. bridge hasar new been built in missouri recently on the western side of the state. i am also recalling at the state level, there was some accelerated work being done on bridges in the state of missouri. host: is there one area specifically that you are concerned about? i have missouri key facts pulled up. specifically st. louis. i know the last time i was through st. louis, there was construction happening downtown going over the mississippi. of thoseious if some projects -- my apologies, i don't have internet access. into c-spano tap

has been especially good this morning. host: i will give this to you. this report, try being on roads in need of repair cost missouri motorists billions in operating costs -- caller: well, very good. i encourage people to check out their states. i recall a new bridge is being constructed over the mississippi. host: connecticut, democratic caller. thank you for c-span. i appreciate being able to talk. my question comes from new technology. and idoing some research

found this company called protected systems. protected systems. i noticed they also produce .nother product i was curious about this and call the company and spoke with the vice president. he told me that this could save because thellions paint could be used on concrete, bridges and it would not rest 100 years. it is gone through rigorous testing. perhaps people would like to hear more about this particular paint. i am putting that out there. guest: i am not familiar with that specific company.

that is an important consideration. you raised an important point, research and development. federal government needs to remain a leader in research. groundbreaking research that happens at the national science foundation. is the national institute of standards and technology. they do very important research ,hat impacts all engineering including civil engineering and construction. a number of research programs, the department of energy, transportation, this is an advantage to the united states. a couple of weeks ago, economists had interesting reports on the united states. it was very upbeat about the future prospects of the united states. research is one of the things they emphasized as a game changer. opened upas tremendous resources in the

united states. it is an advantage we have. another thing the economist said is that infrastructure might be an achilles' heel for the united states and it was time for reinvestment. the president commented that leaders of companies were already starting to reinvest and considering additional investments. the president called out specifically. we have a unique opportunity here, there is a big game sector in the energy because of research supported by the federal government. if we can move forward on the infrastructure front, we will see this renaissance in the united states. host: a little more about president obama's proposals. loans toed banks make private companies. tax subsidies for states and forlities to raise money

investors. that is what president obama has proposed when it comes to this issue of america's infrastructure. how would civil engineers benefit? support those investments. there are additional investments that should be made, but in terms of civil engineering, typically when you look at infrastructure projects, the civil engineer would be 10% of theom project. most of the real expense is on the building side. the design side is important. we think about the world we are are in now, with the climate change, when you're building projects that are going to last 50 or 100 years, that is quite a dynamic feature. at your you're looking screen on the left, it is a current picture of that bridge.

on their rights would be the future rendering of that. tell us about that a little bit. am not a bridge expert, but this is a deficient bridge. it carries over 50,000 cars a day. traffico accommodate on the river. it has to have transportation going over it. i suspect this is a design for 75 to 100 years. i think the replacement cost is in the hundreds of millions. a critical artery into the city of washington dc people should realize, there are 600,000 bridges in this country, one in nine are structurally deficient. that are some functionally obsolete. we have a call on the republican line now from

pennsylvania. caller: how did the rails trails in these specifically the istea funding in the past. a big reason why bridges are falling down. the money is going to recreation trails instead of the people are taxpayers are broken things anday for the the mandated 911 and taxes are sight while the recreation funding continues to funded. why do i have to pay for regular ration? constitution tells me i have to pay for recreation. the iced tea ll debate -- those are political decisions made in congress. there there was an enhancements

program. you mentioned rails to trails. even if you strip those programs out this the caller was to, there is still a huge investment gap left. those are relevance till small programs. hey might have gotten a lot of play in terms of some people's rhetoric. there you take them out are still huge investment needs that have to be addressed. other comment, sometimes transit gets controversial for some. critical for metropolitan areas. is bad enough in northern virginia and washington. if there was not a metro system would be an unbearable place. people driving on roads and see by they should give a wave and smile because it is the mass transit riders that creating more space on the fairways. page of s is the front the atlan"atlanta

journal-constitution." life sessionyear's ended with no steps to ease the region commuters ed pite those who campaign ed with vows of a pwbetter solutio. it explained why it was a no show. spa ee what they call tkpwget atlanta ion in the metro area on their highways. guest: i think the voters -- -- the voters in different counties in the had to vote area on this in the hrlast election. think in a couple counties it passed but in a number it didn't. i think they needed more support down there. once it gets to a point where people are no longer going it, they will let their political leaders know. ut i do see the issue bubbling up more.

even here in congress where it a lot m like there's not oing on to folks a lot of -- a water research and development bill was reported out on a bipartisan basis. going s is going to get on a reauthorization of the surface transportation bill done by the o be end of september 2014. some big markers out there. i have been encouraged by some the new chairman of he house transportation infrastructure committee pibill shuster about keeping an open into this.steps host: meadville, pennsylvania, caller, john. caller: thank you for the work you and your co-workers do on c-span. we enjoy your intelligent, respectful discussions. i work in construction. if your dering if you, report covered longer-term

designs so we get more for the pay for.cture we we do a lot of band-aids on with a shortesigns life expectancy for projected cheap increases or versus steel and things. guest: we do address this. certainly support more sustainable and resilient solutions in all of the sectors, certainly transportation gets a lot of attention, a lot of the big there. are you raise a good point though. cost the term life cycle and you have probably heard of that. sometimes there's a temptation lowest up front cost on a project ignoring the operation and maintenance cost the next 50 ty years. when citizens and political are looking at any type of project life cycle cost should be part of the discussion even though a political leader may only have a two or

has-year horizon the public to look at them as long-term a estments and sometimes slightly greater up front cost gives you a more resilient and and more forming sustainable project. in indianapolis, republican caller. mr. dinges uld like to stop at the top of the transportation department and go the way down if it is ok to tax the people. you pay ive a semi $2,000 for license plates, $500 a heavy use tag, you pay 18 a gallon for fuel. where does that go? there are over a million trucks. hat is over $2,900,500 right there. guest: trucks are a important part of the delivery system and

a good highway system to perform on. there is a broad coalition supporting this issue if you transportation, the u.s. chamber of commerce, labor, mayors, cities -- here's very broad support for this. i can understand how in certain feltrs some of this may be more acutely than others. but trucks are a big part of the they move a lot. but there is the rail sector and mentioned the inland waterway system but we have years old are over 50 hat need investment and there is a system that moves massive and goods materials around this country. so we actually have three serving ation sectors commerce and it is good to keep

all of them competitive. the caller did mention the 18 tax and various fees truckers have. walled off and other be used for any purpose. host: inland waterways getting a report d-minus on this card. the 2009 stimulus package $98 billion for transportation infrastructure projects. spent on and has it all been spent? guest: i think most of it has spent. i'm not sure about the exact figure. $50 billion toas $60 billion d.o.t., roads, transit and funds at the environmental protection some drinking rt water and wastewater infrastructure. hat is one reason you saw the grades improve slightly, six

categories improved. some positive d things for infrastructure. i think that our disappointment was there was not the opportunity was not taken to do investment.ls of you have to remember the stimulus, about a third of that more was tax ly cuts, another large chunk, was simply d, transfer payments back to state and local governments. was left about half went to infrastructure and ncluded broad band, internet and others. host: the washington times front page about the stimulus minority stimulus cash but not work feel it says they are to give 23% of their business to disadvantaged contractors including small usinesses and minority and veteran owned firms. agencies decide when to limit the pool of applicants that can on a contract known as set-asides to members of one of groups. that is the front page of the

washington times". new york, republican caller. caller: my comment is that this conversationngoing regarding infrastructure in the united states. actually look at hese bills you see that money is going to turtle things, dr. memorials, roadside museums, jogging paths. playgrounds, street trees and the bridges and roads are not getting fixed. nd this kind man that came on your program says that if you strip all of that out of the would make very little difference. well, i would like to ask this would make a 2.4% growth of in the these programs, which is what we

are experiencing currently under sequester. n other words, we need to cut the fat out of this stuff. fixed, want your roads fix the roads. don't put a roadside museum into transportation budget. guest: these were political decisions made by members of congress. asked for of congress these things and usually they ask for stuff because they have constituents that are making these requests. i suppose you could have a philosophical discussion about whether it is appropriate at all for federal money to be spent on purelyng that might seem local or slightly out of the sweet spot for the transportation sector -- roads, bridges, mass transit. but these are political have been made before. ost: michael from texas, independent caller. the ideal nderstand

investment strategy would be .omprehensive infrastructure but with your expertise what would be the specific infrastructure that would provide the best economic if you could only choose one, and why? that is a good question and a tough one. act didn't get at that. we were looking at ports andtion, water, energy grids. and we were not able to come up with the assessment which is the one with the biggest bang for the buck. challenge hat would the infrastructure committees in the congress, the agencies in -- perhaps hat have he white house and some of the different agencies involved. transportation has, i think, the at that-- when you look investment gap away talked

bout, the $1.6 trillion over eight years, only $200 billion a year, transportation is a locker chunk of that. but the next 50 to 100 years and adaptation of climate change that is going on, water, we have pack ars of reduced snow in the west and that feeds into colorado river system. there have been other near water shortages. in the southeast united states, georgia. alabama in recent years. think water is something we need to start keeping a close eye on. lots of ways.er we get drinking water, we treat it is a tems and transportation system for this ountry which gets in the inter tkpep interdependent nature of infrastructure. we had 16 categories but you new orleans with katrina it just took the failure of one to em, the levee system, take out the entire infrastructure of the city.

go to louisiana, danny, independent. caller: good morning. my question is are we planning natural changes in nature, claimant changes related as you look at death valley, you have about living there 700 feet below. create hyd we hydropower from the sea as an example. guest: there is a new climate in the ssessment over administration. i have not looked at that yet. i have heard from engineers that worked on that and have worked on development projects years and they urge caution to their professional colleagues in terms of looking head to the next 100 years especially if you are building infrastructure in a coastal environment. you can't really rely on the

data and assumptions of the past to guide you for the next 100 years. so there is a level of that the design community has to take into account. fred is next from caller.ia, a democratic fred crippen and i'm a democrat. cost e talking about the of raising taxes for the bridges, which i think is a good idea. they lower the cost of gas? california, around they make more money in a day than on the whole west ontest and i'm baffled the way gas companies are ripping the people off. can't the gas companies -- why can't they do something about it? guest: i can share the pain when

bump.ve to fill up at the i will remind people the price of gas in this country is about half of what it is in europe and that the taxes typically -- i know the california taxes are a typically the taxes, federal, state, local, don't even amount to a quarter third of the total price of gas. that is a global market the price of gas. the casey dinges with american society of civil engineers. d-plus for america's callingucture and group for $3.6 trillion investment needed by 2020. your time.or up next well look at current and use of domestic -- future use of domestic drones right news update from c-span radio. >> within the hour president announce a new $100 researchnvestment into to map the human brain. he had mentioned the idea in his

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espn2. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are back with sara national security staff writer for the national journal of alk about the use domestic drones. differencenguish the between military and domestic drones. guest: a drone is an aircraft a hout a pilot on board but lot of americans are concerned when they hear drone because predator drones overseas or taking out enemies different from the technology u.s. manufacturers hope to use on u.s. soil. lighter, some as light as two pounds. so they don't have a pilot, they be controlled by remote or laptop or on board but not used for the same thing. are domestic drones being used now?

guest: they are being used by for some search and rescue operations, track criminals in the alabama hostage standoff a couple of months ago they were flown overhead to get what the scene was on the ground and make sure they dd to what the police are looking at on the ground. some universities, public universities, are using them for scientific research. university of alaska is using them to study sea lions because than other eter piloted planes. a wide variety of uses. host: do individuals have authorization to use them? guest: that is a great question commercial uses are prohibited. private businesses can't use for anything. changingwhere money is hands that is against the law ut in 2015 using will be allowed. think of news outlets using them the udy fires or survey damage from that or hurricanes

or anything. companies will be able to use them. real estate agents. things like that. hobbyists can buy them at radioshack and as long as they re taking pictures and they don't go anywhere that is allowed. a t: can they fly them above certain height in the air? uses, law public enforcement or scientific flyingh there are drones pretty high. nasa sends them 65,000 feet the pacific ocean for research. most of them are flown within like 400 feetions before the ground within a line f sight of the operator, daytime areas, way from airports and populated areas. not really going around cities and looking at you. host: who is regulating the use drones domestically? federal ght now the aviation administration is charged with regulating the safety of air space so they want

sure when tkroeps fly people, 't crash into fall out of the sky and damage property, hit other aircraft. who are the ones responsible with issuing permits and there are only some 300 ermits for public entities it use them. host: what is the process like to get a permit? guest: from what i understand it a several-month-long process. they have to ask f.a.a. for to fly the drones, fly and here they will why. and the f. afpa.a. decides whet they will be flying same and sure that theyke are being flown by public law enforcement agents public research facilities. host: here is the electronic withier foundation website this map. drone list.ses new is your town on the map?

what is this? groups are of looking for information about where drones are being flown within the united states. people can go and look and see being flown and maybe why to get a better handle mightt the future of this be. host: the list that was released the freedom of information act lawsuit includes aw enforcement agencies and universities and for the first agency andian tribal includes more than 20 new f.a.a.'s ver the original list bringing to 81 the of public entities that have applied for f.a.a. drone authorization through october of 2012. what is the future of f.a.a. regulation over domestic drone use? guest: that is something that is still being worked out. y 2015 private companies can a i my for use of drones and public entities. f.a.a. expects that some

10,000 commercial drones will be by 2017, two years after the space opens up to them. 30,000 within the next decade public and commercial. 18,000 state and agencies maybe commerce. host: what does that mean for economy and jobs? a lot of re are estimates about that. they are expecting a big $90 billionttom some industry the next decade and some a lot of jobs, 70,000 within a few years after the air space opens up for commercial purposes. a big economic impact. host: we're talking about the saraf domestic drones with sorcher. if you have questions or comments call in on the numbers the screen. ogden, utah, t in republican caller.

caller: good morning, c-span. my first comment is according to the constitution of the united of america you are a warrant to be this o spy on people and drone thing you talk about the tentof the camel under the you are opening up pandora's box and putting or way he united states government in charge of overseeing the drones is like putting the inmates in charge of the asylum. host: do you need a warrant for using a drone? uest: currently there is no rule governing the use domestically so that is a big issue. a do you figure out what is good way to fly a drone and what isn't. a game changer. they can hover longer, they a creweed breaks to give a rest and could go undetected.

might feel like privacy rights are being violated. existing privacy laws in this country and fourth amendment will protect rights because if you fly a drone up to somebody's maybe that is trespassing. if someone is using one to follow you could be stalking. will go to courts and they will determine that or there could be some sort of question whether or not members of lawmakers willal regulate that. dover, ohio.n independent. aller: i have a couple of corrections. currently there are 6,600 drones states.sed in the united when i called senator brown's office they are expecting 300,000 ons up to applications for drones to be .sed in this country they also can be armed or loaded

pepper spray and tear gas. has a ernment already microwave weapon they trade to afghanistan. it was sent back and it is now prison ed in l.a. for control. so, this stuff that oh, don't head, we will le take care of you, the fourth amendment doesn't protect me the patriot act. they don't need a warrant to do half the stuff they are doing right now. so i think we've got enough people watching this right now moreon't need to spend any money on drones. and you are giving it to the f.a.a. track of the p airliners. host: a couple issues there. i haven't heard that 6,600 number but i have they to the f.a.a. and have said just over 300 permits are active. a relatively limited use. but it does open up questions

used.how they will be that is why as you are saying, a lot of people are concerned about them. technically be armed bullets oras, rubber that is why a lot of people want be used for law enforcement or want to have some guidelines for how the drones will be flown within the united states. host: what is congress doing? there have been about a half dozen bills that have been become ed but none has law. senator paul wants there to be can fly before police them to go over fields or look the your house just in normal way it could be used now. seen which ns to be laws will go forward and if it will be left up to the states could be a e that better way to test out in different areas different they are to see how going. host: roy in california,

caller.can host: good morning. have a privacy concern about having those drones over a piece of property that i own. that is air space invi abable to a property owner below 100 feet you can take out the old shotgun and away. because they are in your air space? that is a great question and one members of congress are addressing. a recent hearing where senator feinstein was asking the as you.stion what altitude should they be allowed to fly over property and whether americans are protected that. from something like some say there is not a lot in

merican privacy laws that is barrier to using drones because existing court cases invoke eing the fourth amendment say that a person has no expectation they are being looked at from a public vantage point. even from an aircraft. a hell is flying over your -- over elicopter is flying your yard they can see what you are doing and that could be legal. drones could say be more protective of people's privacy rights because if a is flying over your yard and maybe they have -- because they are traveling to a marijuana field and want to look at that, have software that eliminates all of the things on the ground that they in for their information long the way, whether a sun bathing neighbor or anything like that and they could just stream that information in become to the police officers.

host: away covered the hearing senator feinstein and here about she had to say domestic drones and explaining her concerns about it. [video clip] >> we have to look to whether purposes can drones be used.mately how do you monitor their use? certify the equipme equipment? because all kinds of things can be added. may well not be legal to drone, ny munitions on a but what can be done illegally and how can the government prfpt happening -- prevent that from happening? i think the ability to -- at fly? altitude can they what kind of facial recognition of at various e activities? can they take pictures of an ndividual through a window inside their home, a business

of their window busine business, on the property in ?hich they live drones are hard to spot for the eye.ined so your ability to protect yourself is not great. host: dianne feinstein talking about her concerns about drone use. she is the chairwoman of the the ligence committee not judiciary, just to clarify. but gathering intelligence how they one use is are being used, correct? guest: that is a big part of how for law being used enforcement. enator feinstein mentioned sens sensors that can be loaded to imaging minals and fires.g for hot spots in but people probably wouldn't like them if they are going to be used to give them parking tickets. it depends on how you use them and how the american people feel

about that. from grand rapids, michigan, democratic caller. tkpwhra caller: the supreme court was law enforcement can't walk around with a canine looking fing the air for people smoking pot in their houses. but a drone nothing technical dog? do,t can drones do and can't what is illegal and not illegal. the things that drones. my to -- apply it doesn't make sense that we and let them fly anywhere take pictures. guest: that is a point a lot of xperts have raised that existing laws would protect against something like that. so, it may need to be challenged now we have to see a drone, we used to have dogs the waydoes that change we look at operatives rights.

arkansas,l, greenwood, independent caller. caller: it is interesting to see act, er the patriot whenever it was renewed were ats and republicans oth very bipartisan and also which took away our right to privacy, fourth amendment, they can go into bank -- records and e-mails without a warrant and the national defense authorization authorizes the president to arrest anyone any time he on suspicion of being a errorist and i think recently -- host: how does that tie to drones? aller: the government can kill people because they can authorize the president to warrant ople without a -- i mean without think due

process. what is to keep him from using to kill people he doesn't like? issue paul s a brought up, can they be used to out an alleged terrorist? guest: that is a question a lot wondering and e senator paul is wondering if the bama administration can use it to take out a suspected american terrorist on u.s. soil because it administration does claim has no degree -- geographic of where they can attack. t could be in congressmenen, somalia or wherever they believe terrorists are living and lotting attacks against the united states and are an imminent threat. ttorney general holder said no america is not actively engaged in combat if they are sitting they dinner for example won't be killed by a drone

strike because the u.s. would prefer to use law enforcement to look for and on ure suspected terrorists u.s. soil. city. leah from salt lake caller: drones have been used or five years already here in ut utah. create deprivation the minute you are asleep they wake you up. cluster bombs. theyuse high frequency and ptsd in is could create former military. people who have been in the take notesfore, they to see how they can control a population. this has been done for five years. host: where are you getting this information, leah? i can't say.

but this work is being done rate ow and has been done for five years already. host: ok. guest: that is an interesting myself. hadn't heard i do know that there is a chance just now for americans like you and anyone else to weigh in on the privacy policies f.a.a. drafting for the test sites. because right now the drones are fly in populated areas or airports. right now they are looking for six test sites where the drones flown by industry, where government can look at how they flying and see how best to integrate the air space. so, they are also looking for a because civil are concerned s and there will be a town hall this afternoon on the internet and you can sign up and voice and let them know.

host: what agency? guest: f.a.a. host: on the internet today? guest: yes an internet town hall test ving opinions on the sites to see how drones are flying. so if you are concerned about our privacy rights being violated you can log on and give your opinion. you can also write members of voice concerns. host: let's listen to what was c.e.o. the president and of the association of unmanned aticle systems international that senate judiciary hearing talking about the different uses tkroepbls.ic [video clip] >> the industry refers to u. afpa u.a.s.'s because there more than just a pilotless vehicle. the technology on the ground with the human at the controls. i like to say there is nothing unmanned by unmanned systems. carries withe also it a hostile connotation and

u.a.s.'s areect how being used domestically as you heard from mr. miller. u.a.s.'s are used to perform angerous and difficult tasks more safely and more efficiently. they are used to assess flooding red river in the upper midwest. they are used to help battle wildfires, in california. they are being used to study everything from hurricanes in gulf of mexico, tornadoes in the great plains and volcanos in hawaii. the e military u.a.s.'s, systems most likely to be used by public safety agencies are small systems. they weigh less than five pounds duration.ed flight host: you sat down with mr and did an interview. and this is the headline. i spoke with him and he said there is a hollywood

xpectation of what a drone is and people when they think of drones think about the overseas, strikes coming down and taking out these thingse said are not fearful robots and they can be used to help american businesses. host: here is a picture in your a revolutionary high technology, this is from the department.police is this a drone? guest: that is a drone. they are being used by law enforcement like miami to do all things. search and rescue. tracking criminals. be used also going to for innovative purposes in the united states the next couple of as the specially commercial air -- commercial they can be nd flown by businesses particularly agriculture. a crop spraying robot valley tog it in napa

fertilizer like in japan the s spray nearly half rice crops or farms instead of whole fields with chemicals they may just spray a locate an area and string the considered nights back to a -- coordinates back to it would go over the area and spray automatically. host: there is part of her ways to use jor drones. if you go to national site.alism's web we have a republican call are austin, texas. caller: i live in austin and traveling i e first i thought was a u.f.o. it was a little shocking.

was -- i thought it was actually following me. out it was a drone that was being used by the forrtment of transportation doing survey work. and drove saw it land over and spoke to the gentleman at the controls, and he for me they were using it surveying. disconcerting. but i have since learned that we over austin ozen eing used by law enforcement and my concern is that once use and you give an inch and government will always mile. as far as privacy, i have been on the internet and

trade journals and scientific the s about the size of drones that are available and what is coming and some are of a to be the size mosquito hawk, say, or three inches or four inches in will be able to window ide your bedroom and listen in or videotape. as the hink that gentleman said earlier once the is under the tent there is no coming back. . i would imagine that could be see a drone in the sky and not know why it is there. it is interesting you drove,to what it was being used for. it sounds like that is a legal purpose the department is a public n entity and they are using it for surveys. spoke with someone who is a drone manufacturer and they hope private em for companies when space opens up angle it will be very

difficult for humans to take on. to survey how s acre or vel is in an 80- 90-acre pit but it would take an hour or two and it is a cost saving. there are a lot of benefits that american businesses might use for. but ground being the systems efore they can be used might hurt some of that potential. host: miami, florida, independent caller, bob. make a couple to of points. these f all, i imagine drones could also be used to survey the borders for illegal and they have a reat capacity with their people that could sense day or night. guest: that is one way that law using them now,

government. they are looking to survey the borders for immigration or drug things like nd that. host: nick, republican caller from pleasanton, california. the air.n go ahead. caller: good morning. .'m surprised i got through with the young lady. all laws are broken one way or everybody withth tkroeps criminontrol flying there is no way that anybody is going to be able to enforce it. -- the rights of privacy. you read the applications about right of privacy. that is a bunch of garbage.

you have no rights. ost: the difficulty of regulating these. guest: i can imagine that would be a big challenge and will be now.d out right that the f.a.a. is working out to make them safe and they have say we want to regulate these for privacy uses. so, someone else is probably to have to do that in addition to that, in addition to take ona., if they even that responsibility at all. that will have to be congress, courts to figure out the best way to issue guidelines and if they break the law somebody will have to find a way to discipline them to make sure properly.used >> carlos, new orleans, democratic caller. the drone technology america eing used over is it capable of the technology that is used over pakistan that 168 children? it seems people are being led to believe it is for their protection and it is not.

i remember in the early 1980's local adelphia the government used a bomb -- it was ot a drone but a bomb -- to clear out a neighborhood, the group was called the move. residents d out the and didn't tell the paoeeople t hey wanted to clear out and dropped a bomb on them and them.d i can see why americans are sin confidential about this because the proof is in the pudding and writing is on the wall that this is not for our protection. one caller pointed out it is saying that this is what the do.ernment wants to and it is surprising a lot of people think this is a good benefit. not. guest: i haven't heard about the incident but they will be in all and of shapes and sizes used for a variety of%. some of larger ones might be, as i understand they are not going to be flying with weapons, ones that are monitoring the border don't have

weapons on them. they will be used for a lot of and it will poses be up to the lawmakers to determine how they can be used. do you know if there are regulations about what a drone how much it can weigh, what it can carry, all -- i assume there re regulations for aircraft that the governments oversee. drones?the case for . i think those are things they are still working out. he f.a.a. is working to streamline permits for tkroeps under 25 pounds for law enforcement or public entities. a lot of them are smaller, four pounds, two pounds and carrying only cameras. that is something that is pretty light. right now i don't believe that things can be dropped from aircraft, so that is one thing that regulates it. but i think as the technology cheaper and people start to innovate they will have to mick more regulations. is a different example but

i talk to some engineers who spent weeks building the burrito bomber, it is a small fixed wing respond to ould mobile app you could order a to ito and summon the drone your location and drop it from the sky. that is an interesting application and maybe others up with things like that or other things and it will be up to the consumer do i want mexican food from the sky or stick with the restaurant. things that the f.a.a. will play a role in, can burritos or bombs or anything from the sky and where can you fly. to the officethem in a populated area or just over a field. great questions that will be addressed. host: newspaper delivery. atlanta, independent caller. caller: good morning. i want to say thank you

issue.r coverage of the have to be somewhat circumspect. f.a.a. lved in the application project from here at georgia. atlanta, a couple of things need to be brought to everybody's attention. politicizing of the remotely piloted aircraft initiative, which is what it properly be called, is ot doing anybody in the aerospace industry or general in law r military or enforcement or in any of our that could stries employ r.p.a.'s into an advantage o if you eous application will any favors. mr. paul and mr. cruise for their political

the development and operation of the r.p.a. again on the civilian and military side is not for political consideration. now, the privacy piece is being by the f.a.a. in the application process. and the awarding of the six and development sites are going to have a heavy ederal, local and state involvement along with a tremendous group of manufacturers manufacturers, boeing, lockheed, dynamic. i think it is very important and again i would be happy it take is questions but i think it very important that the efinition be migrated to r.p.a., which has been recommended by the industry and u.a.v.her designations of or u.a.s. on the civilian side aerial gration of those platforms into the national air

system or n.a.s. is really the of the situation here. bang buck whiz rogers stuff. migration of aeronautic technology. guest: it is great to hear from you. i mentioned that the f.a.a. was to have a town hall this afternoon so do you believe that f.a.a. should be responsible for privacy or could take on that responsibility or should to what is it does best, safety. host: dave, are you still there? caller: yes. host: did you hear the question? yes, i did. i'm very much up to speed on sara. i wish there was some way -- i will try to contact you if you national at the journal. long story short, we've got a redefinition and of what the responsibilities are here. f.a.a. has a really

this ental task here by research process. they have to have all of their moneys a row and the assigned by 2015 september. issue is solely different from the aeronautic and orm and operations command and control standpoint. e've got command and control interruption, command and ontrol data linking, uplink, downlink complications that need you are aessed on the tphaubgt platform -- aeronautic platform side. e t privacy concern will b something that may end up in the and is out of the f.a.a.'s purview. host: if you are interesting in reporting go to the website and if you are on is@sa her handle there is@sarasorch is@sarasorchermj. republican caller.

caller: i'm an engineer and my one of the highest security clearances you can obtain from the federal 1960's.nt in the we have lost our privacy since then. an overall solution, whether drones or the meters or whatever methodology is that might lead illegal activity by the government and that is we grand juries in every agency. and the criteria to pick them you can pass a test part lie detector saying you will support the u.s. constitution and that you are involved in working outside the law. really high level stuff people who have retired from the have the vernment who clearance. guest: that is a topic people discussing. some experts say if you fly privacyt will raise the

issues and people will want to know how and why they are being where.nd there's been some discussion of possible solutions to these questions. could have a citizen board for every town or city or they could get together after a period of time law iscuss if the enforcement is using them correctly, if there needs to be modifications. into how data is being stored. not necessarily disclose the butrmation to everyone else have an elected group of people issues.uld address these because of the way that drones fly they can have their flight can stored inside so you easily publish that information drone today see a went here and for what. but a little more accountability into the government's hands. tennessee, under caller. stkpwhra

i would like to know mainly where the young lady got information and we have been that have been lied about different wars. if they did lie us into wars and other things what makes you sweetheart, that by the going to abide rules we set? and the poor man from georgia was either a lobbyist or already had a drink of the kool-aid and that is what i want to ask you. to know who her sources are basically? caller: yes. because it is probably overnment officials around and military and they can't be trusted. and it is like the guy said they children and ing funeral parties, wedding parties afghanistan and especially in pakistan and afghanistan. trust a e continue to government that may do the same to us?

talking are actually about two different issues. they are used for military that is a different ballgame. then they are used in the united states. a lot of reporting on this and i haven't really spoken to very many government officials. spoke to someone at the f.a.a. but that is the only agency that air space so we are very much in an input phase where they are trying to figure safety issues. a lot of stake holders are industry so there are people who manufacturing the technology and it is kinds of in the very huge industry. members of congress are looking into this and trying to figure innovationt way that can happen and americans can of fit from the economics drones and change the way they jobs.iness and create host: what about civil ritz groups? . they are also very concerned. aclu, there is a lot of people

really gaining momentum to put in privacy protection efore the drones are commonplace. kim in bentley, michigan, independent. caller: good morning. i want to make a comment. earlier this morning you had callers from michigan and ohio, and a couple other states concerned with the privacy issue as i am as well. i think there are two points here. , the most basic level, something fear of flying above us. go about their daily from days past we always fear an ambushing from sources and the primal fear of something above us scary to most folks. secondly, the privacy issue ourth amendment, the patriot act was brought up earlier and

that potentially are act.rring from the patriot i think most folks may agree an me that there is overbound on the domestic side the american of public. that is all i had. guest: the point about fear is well taken. that is something that is holding back both the government ahead with opening up the air space completely because they have to address concerns and americans from accepting the technology. take k that is going to time. because the drones are coming. the more people see them flying they are looking at fires or could be stationed on stations or fire stations to deploy the first system to see if it is alarm fire.

the more you see people doing nteresting things with them whether food delivery or transportation, fedex could fly to deliver cargo. you could have all sorts of different uses. start that people will to see them more and learn more about them and maybe even use them. host: let's try to get another call. robert in north carolina, independent caller. quickly?u make it caller: yes. i was wondering how did they so much people authority to drive these drones air?e air, fly them in the in order for me to drive a to have a licen license. they can just give them permission to fly the drones and there is no question asked before they allowed them to fly them. these people are sking questions and we are coming up with laws now and making various things about the laws. they do t